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[avamclean]

Okay, so I’m finally delving back into the ‘This is War’ ‘verse and I have a question for the f-list. If it came to a knock-down, drag-out, no powers held back fight between Azazel (the Yellow Eyed Demon) and Willow who would come out the victor?

 

I mean this a discussion. No bashing on Willow or Azazel. I want opinions on their abilities, not their actions.

 

Comments

[amarock.livejournal.com]

I had to re-read the story and fell in love with it all over again!!! Nice to see a storyline with the demon essence of the slayer as a part.
On the question who would win?, I´d say Willow. For one thing if I remember correctly her power stems from earth itself and is fairly limitless. Azazel has raw power, true, setting people on fire, freezing them...but he mainly acts through manipulation not always directly (also Willow can do all those things too). And he is "just" a demon. And if not outright killing him, going with the colt thing, but she could at least banish his ass to an other dimension ;-)

That said, I hope you update soon *pretty please*!!

[avamclean.livejournal.com]

LOL You’re the lone person on the Willow team at the moment. Though I’m curious as to why you think Willow’s power stems from the earth. In the show it did mention her ‘knowing’ everything on the earth was connected, not necessarily through magic, but through the cosmos. Willow’s power usually came from within her or when she tapped into other more mystical things.

During her ‘big’ spells Willow drew power from others. She drained dark magic books to go after Warren and then Rack to go after Jonathan and Andrew. Her other particularly impressive spell she tapped into the power of the Scythe and harnessed it. Neither of these spells were all Willow. Yes, she’s powerful, but is she powerful enough to face on Azazel?

In most works Azazel is described as a fallen angel. His very name means ‘God has been strong’ or ‘God strengthens’ if you go by its Hebrew origins azaz means ‘to be strong’ (which leads me on a’whole’nother plot bunny) and el means ‘God.’ He’s not you’re basic run of the mill demon (especially from the BtVS standpoint) and he sure as hell isn’t going to go down without inflicting serious damage to her and anyone within the general vicinity.

Yes, Willow can do all the things that Azazel has been show to be able to do but these things do drain her if you go by the actual series BtVS and not the crap’tastic comics. Azazel doesn’t grow tired, doesn’t even care about his physical form and I’m curious as to how you believe Willow has the ability to banish his ass to another dimension. The only time Willow helped in a spell that sent someone to another reality was during the vamp!Willow episode and Willow had Giles and Anya leading her through the incantation. I actually don’t think Willow really did anything during that spell other than assert herself to be the one that belonged in that particular ‘verse.

[amarock.livejournal.com]

Well, I have faith in humans *grin*
Now, it´s been a long time since I really watched the show and I am also behind in the comic season 8, so please forgive if I´m lacking in references.

Willow is one of earths most powerful Wicca, and as far as I know they draw power mainly from earth and themselves, also for most stuff (teleportation...) she doesn´t need an extra boost anymore (comics). You are right in that she harnessed the power of objects/people, but at least in the end it was I think so the First could not corrupt her use of magic. Which, okay would be a weak point against Azazel. That brings me to the use of christian stuff in both shows, and I think it´s much more pronounced in SPN and more "real"...that would mean that Az is Satan is Lucifer, because the stuff I found on the subject is that through arabic/hebrew/biblical canon those are just diff names for one entity. Which would make season 4 reaaaaally interesting.

But even if he is "just" one of the fallen angels, he´s still not corporeal and in buffy cannon that means he´s not at full power, again with the manipulation, children recruiting and so on. But I would also say he is, despite the Colt, unkillable. You just can´t kill an angel, fallen or not, and I don´t care what Castiel says!
As for the banishing: what about "the lies my parents told me", didnt she open up a portal even though the powers didn´t want her to?! and I´m afraid mainly ´cause of the comics.

And in the end hell is just another dimension and nobody would really care if she had to drain energy from them if Azazel would be gone, I guess. But it would certainly be one hell of a fight!!

[avamclean.livejournal.com]

Willow can’t be one of the earth’s most powerful Wicca. Wicca is a religion, a way of thinking and when she slit that deer’s throat to bring Buffy back from the dead she would have ‘shat’ all over her religion. To take a life, any life, is wrong within the Wiccan community. Willow’s powers in the comics are absurd. Hence why I refer to them as crap’tastic.

Wow, we definitely have completely non-meshable views of SPN. So I’m not going to bother voicing my opinion on those.